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As a defining moment, you know who sees this as a defining moment? steve bannon. we have a report from axios saying bannon saw trump's press conference not as the lowest point in his presidency but as a defining moment. christina, you can only see it as a defining moment if it is your belief that you don't want donald trump to appeal to any more voters than he already does. >> he calls anyone who hasn't voted for him his enemies. that means well over 50% of the nation he considers an active enemy. so we've always talked about how the presidency doesn't change you. it exposes who you are. this ...

Moment? steve bannon. we have a report from axios saying bannon saw trump's press conference not as the lowest point in his presidency but as a defining moment. christina, you can only see it as a defining moment if it is your belief that you don't want donald trump to appeal to any more voters than he already does. >> he calls anyone who hasn't voted for him his enemies. that means well over 50% of the nation he considers an active enemy. so we've always talked about how the presidency doesn't change you. it exposes who you are. this is a man who talks about his good genes. this is a man who ...

He talks about it in racialized terms. rudy giuliani talks about it in racialized terms. their notion is that the rigging will go on in cities. and whenever they talk about cities, they talk about democrats, and they talk about african-americans living in cities. when he goes to these audiences that are overwhelmingly white he tells those audiences that they need to check the polling places in other places, not in their own precincts, but in other places. so i do think that is a you know a dangerous line of rhetoric. but it is in keeping with the way donald trump has run this campaign. it is v...

Lengthy process. >> jamal, if we didn't define citizenship as birthright, how would we define it then? >> the main alternative is defining citizenship based on whether your parents were a citizen. that's how some other countries do it. i just spent time in japan. it's difficult to overstate how much that goes against the american tradition of saying we don't define citizenship in eth any sized terms and bloodlines and racialized terms. the dred scott decision of 1857, which is what the 14th amendment was designed to overturn did exactly that. if you're an african slave or descendent of an afri...