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What do you make of that the degree to which this president, this administration, this party can see that through that political prism. >> it gives us a sense of how deep and historical this argument is. it's not about donald trump. the kind of argument that you -- this is the way to think about it, right. there's this, there has been this strategy to name it, is to somehow reproduce it. which then handcuffs those of us who bear the burden of it. so we can't call the country racist, because if we call the country racist, then we're going to activate the racism of the country. and so by virtue ...

Certainly, we didn't see it wednesday night. but they were both, you know, making their points explicit and there was no question about where each other stood. >> i'm sure you've seen the attacks now about this tweet. a lot of other democratic candidates have come forward condemning the tweet from don jr. that questioned whether kamala harris was a, quote, black american or an american black, since her mother's from india, her father's from jamaica. senator bernie sanders went so far as to call don junior rac t racist. what are your thoughts on this? >> well, i think it's another example, you ...