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American life. one of the fascinating things to me -- and we have talked about this before is to what extent economic populism has been replaced by cultural populism. from '68 forward. interestingly trump kind of blends the two in a way that's sewell four us i would argue. i owe this to grace sasser and he ran the democratic party which is like being the radar operator in pearl what are for. can you imagine a worst job? but we were talking the other day and he -- and he said interestingly trump wants to take us back to 1955. and vice president biden is appealing to a kind of cultural ethos, po...

Havoc. is this something where, like the democratic party will have to give towards these four women? >> i don't think so. simply on the pelosi doctrine of giving and taking, the numbers are where the numbers are. you know, this country is going to look a lot more like where the squad is and president obama in 30 years than it's going to look like donald trump's demographically speaking. the question is, how do you get to that point? what are the bridge years like and what happens in the interim? it seems to me that the great struggle in the democratic party now, i was talking to a former chai...

Because one of two things -- i understand that the threat level and i understand either the plane is in trouble and needs help or it's nefarious and you really want to know what somebody is going up there to do. as prime minister, don't you find that troubling? >> you see, i'm coming back to my earlier statement, they were not sure whether it was mh 370. >> even more reason to go have a look. >> they were not sure. but it behaved like a commissioned airline. >> there is no doubt, wolf, forget pilots names, forget last words, forget everything else about this, that is the nub of the issue facin...

370 and thereof? i'm skeptical what they say about the turn around the hub of indonesia. why do they know it went that way? let's start with that. >> well, they're basing it on information from radar. primary radar, not secondary radar. the radar does not say this is flight 370. it says there's an aircraft out there. you're right to be skeptical of it. i am, as well. the report comes from someone who is not the radar operator. it's coming from not where the radar originated. so all of this information, i'm get morgue skeptical about but this one in particular because it's primary radar, it's n...

Even then, the dot would probably be bigger or more intense than usual and could attract the attention of a radar operator somewhere. anderson, when people try to figure out beyond what we know that initial flight into all this conjecture how it could have happened, theories like this have to be considered, no matter how outlandish, simply because here we are a week and a half later and we just don't know. >> and these are certainly things that investigators from every country who's involved in this are certainly looking at and trying to play out the many steps of what it would entail. tom, ap...