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That public is asking the question, leland, what do you expect us to do? leland: well, at some level the public says, hey, we have to go live our lives, as the british are really good at doing in the face of this. and yet we're not able to prevent the attacks. it seems, to your point, there's a big focus on how to prevent a vehicle-borne attack, not a lot of focus on how do we stop this radicalization process. >> that's right. that's what we have been focused on for the last ten years. leland: screen objects at airports, we try to -- >> everything. everything from the genesis, how does this id...

Things that promotes. i know that some actions have to be taken. since i studied terrorism, the best way to stop terrorism is to know the reason for it. you have to know the reason why people resort to the facts in their own individual radicalization process. unfortunately when there is an attack like this, and we don't know very much. we all know so much about their lives, were probed them to do that. i just completed an analysis of the san bernardino shooters a year after the attack. i'm just starting now to understand why. why they did this. pete: joseph, we don't however notarization they ...

>> would you be worried that there are multiple suspects out there? >> absolutely. even though the radicalization process can take one disenfranchised, disaffected youngster in their parents' basement that decides they want to do jihad, generally speaking, in he pa in he pa in he pa in he pa in the patterns that we've seen of recent. >> when you were listening to the eyewitness who was talking to us, mark roberts, was there anything that he said in particular that gave you like that light bulb moment of, this is what we're dealing with? >> yes. when i heard him describe there was a five or ten...

Reportedly ran a libyan based website was arrested, bringing to 14 held by police. perhaps part of a network supporting the attacker. >> this is still a live operation. >> investigators are being investigated. looking at how the attacker slipped through the officials' net. sky news reporting that officials were alerted three times that salman abedi was a possible risk. >> someone assesses the risk, whether or not that person, what stage they are in the radicalization process and what stage they are moving towards terrorism. >> this is a long holiday weekend in the u.k. too. events in mancheste...

What they do, and what's curious here is this is very similar to the radicalization process. you have a very strict cognitive frame, and now you have a demonization of an out group and now you begin to see that anywhere where this out group appears, you're scared. and i think the biggest lesson that people are losing in this is that you are letting the terrorists win. you're talking tough and saying that we're going to get tough on terrorists and annihilate terrorism, but yet, every day you go around carrying the baggage of fear and hatred which is exactly what they want from you. you're actua...