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congress, and democracy itself. this is another member of the ex presidents inner circle. he was indicted, and republicans are caught on tape planning to dispatch an army of activists to polling sites to target and potentially overturn votes in democratic precincts. the reporter who understood those tapes joins me later in the show. plus, the lawyer who scored an unprecedented victory for sandy hook families against the gunmaker in that case has turned his attentions to the gun maker in the uvalde texas massacre. i will talk to him about that legal strategy that could be the turning ...

It. >> it does. and, the logic of authoritarianism is it always involves more and more people as targets. it always becomes more radical. we are seeing this. january six, it is very interesting. it failed as a coup. but, it's succeeded as a way of introducing a lawless model of politics. that is election denial, and so many other themes. criminals welcomed into the party, and it reminds me of, unfortunately, in 100 years ago, fascist in italy, if you are in the march on rome, it was a badge of honor. he recalled a first hour fascist. unfortunately, january six is this foundational event. it re...

Symptom of that, and it was a radicalizing event for the gop and recruiting event for extremists not affiliated before and it's not surprising that lawmakers or steve bannon are refusing to cooperate because they're not interested in reforming the system. they want to overthrow democracy and accepting a subpoena or cooperation shows a legit mate -- it shows you're legit mating that system. it even shows weakness if you get into the mentality, it shows weakness of the system you are trying to overthrow. so you and other experts who write about things like professor timothy snyder. you study the...

In recent days. the complex of the hundreds brought by the justice department in the months since the attack. joining me now, professor of history at new york university is ruth giot. this has a through line to donald trump and you study athorough tearism around the world. even with president trump out of office, is the u.s. out of the authoritarian woods? what do you think? >> we are not out of the woods. in fact, we are at a highly -- highly dangerous moment, and i really see january 6th as a kind of radicalizing event for the gop and for trump where they are kind of intoxicated at the pos...