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>> you remember because you were standing there when tavis and i had a heated discussion at johnson's funeral about tavis calling bill clinton a black president. and he wrote it in his book. how did he hold him accountable. i'm talking to a real plaque president about real black people. he was willing to give a pass to a white man from arkansas that he called a black president. come on, let's be fair and honest here. >> we invited both tavis smiley and al sharpton to join us. mr. smiley had a previous radio commitment but reverend sharpton joins us now. reverend sharpton, good of you to join u...

Forward might be good entertainment, it does not deal with what we need to be dealing w i'm about concrete changes. i'm not about just entertaining people or trying to go back and forward for production. >> reverend al sharpton. reverend, thank you so much for coming on today. >> thank you. >> by the way we invited tavis smiley on and he had a previous radio commitment but we hope to have him on soon. for more debate on this story, head to thegrio.com. days away from the president's health care summit. will the meeting do anything to break congressional gridlock? the shuster showdown next. ...