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People are fanatical. they need to be restrained. and someone in the republican party has to talk reason into them. and if it isn't ralph, if he's going to applaud them, who is going to stand up against them? >> ralph? >> well, i think the problem with that analysis, andrew, is that the legislative system itself is broken. the united states senate has not produced a budget in three years. and we've got a situation where the house has passed varying measures to deal with obama care that even if you don't take the position that i do, which is that it should be repealed and left on the ash heap o...

We'll continue to fight on the merits. but i'd be surprised if there's another shutdown. >> andrew, what about the problems with obama care? certainly the web site. i mean, it's hard to defend the rollout of this. >> it's indefensible. and ralph and i can agree on that, i think. but that means that this tactic, this attempt to destroy the american economy, the threatening of actually throwing millions out of work, threatening the credit of the united states, threatening the global economy, threatening our position in the world, was a disastrous gambit because in fact if they had just done the ...

Merits. but i'd be surprised if there's another shutdown. >> andrew, what about the problems with obama care? certainly the web site. i mean, it's hard to defend the rollout of this. >> it's indefensible. and ralph and i can agree on that, i think. but that means that this tactic, this attempt to destroy the american economy, the threatening of actually throwing millions out of work, threatening the credit of the united states, threatening the global economy, threatening our position in the world, was a disastrous gambit because in fact if they had just done the normal things, the regular thin...

Condemning the result of it. you've got to admit, these people are fanatical. they need to be restrained. and someone in the republican party has to talk reason into them. and if it isn't ralph, if he's going to applaud them, who is going to stand up against them? >> ralph? >> well, i think the problem with that analysis, andrew, is that the legislative system itself is broken. the united states senate has not produced a budget in three years. and we've got a situation where the house has passed varying measures to deal with obama care that even if you don't take the position that i do, which ...

Reductions in loopholes an raise revenues that way. i am not hearing from the republican right any sense of chastening after this event, and any sense that they're serious about tackling the long-term debt with the democrats. >> but i mean on your web site you've been very tough. i mean, sort of implying that the tea party or the far right is trying to sabotage our democracy in a way. >> well, yes. because i think the key thing there was not the goal of the debt but the strategy. you do not threaten to throw the entire global economy into a second great depression. you do not threaten the cred...