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People are fanatical. they need to be restrained. and someone in the republican party has to talk reason into them. and if it isn't ralph, if he's going to applaud them, who is going to stand up against them? >> ralph? >> well, i think the problem with that analysis, andrew, is that the legislative system itself is broken. the united states senate has not produced a budget in three years. and we've got a situation where the house has passed varying measures to deal with obama care that even if you don't take the position that i do, which is that it should be repealed and left on the ash heap o...

Condemning the result of it. you've got to admit, these people are fanatical. they need to be restrained. and someone in the republican party has to talk reason into them. and if it isn't ralph, if he's going to applaud them, who is going to stand up against them? >> ralph? >> well, i think the problem with that analysis, andrew, is that the legislative system itself is broken. the united states senate has not produced a budget in three years. and we've got a situation where the house has passed varying measures to deal with obama care that even if you don't take the position that i do, which ...

Credit for what has happened in washington for the past several weeks. he led the republican effort to inject the defunding of obama care into the budget battle. one of the more interesting things to watch has been how senator cruz has talked about the shutdown as if he had nothing to do with it. listen. >> i don't think we should have a government shutdown. >> why is the federal government spending money to erect barricades to keep veterans out of this memorial? >> harry reid and president obama want a shutdown. >> why did the federal government spend money to erect barricade to keep people o...

Not get into the battle, then we wouldn't be here today. that is a loser's plan. >> so you say shut down the government again, let's do it all again but this time just stick to it? >> if that's what it takes to stand on principle and win, yes. absolutely. >> mark, does that make any sense to you? >> i see it as clawing your way to the bottom. i don't think it makes any sense at all. i think we saw where it got us this time. i think we should adopt a different approach. >> well, mark, i hate to tell you that, but my way won for 12 years. we did some pretty amazing things with five margins fight...

>> so you say shut down the government again, let's do it all again but this time just stick to it? >> if that's what it takes to stand on principle and win, yes. absolutely. >> mark, does that make any sense to you? >> i see it as clawing your way to the bottom. i don't think it makes any sense at all. i think we saw where it got us this time. i think we should adopt a different approach. >> well, mark, i hate to tell you that, but my way won for 12 years. we did some pretty amazing things with five margins fighting against really all odds. but we won. your way we lose all the time. >> but co...