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Win this debate ultimately, this political debate could be really damaging. he has shown he is willing to do anything for his political survival. >> this is my sense of why i think that mueller has to be self aware of how damaging it would be if he doesn't have anything. if he doesn't have it, he should have stopped this months ago. because now if the president wins this fight, ram herb, in the face of what many people might say is like pretty solid evidence let's say, the consequences of that? >> assuming that mueller is in the right here. >> yeah. >> he is trying to vindicate the rule of law...

Time now for "the lid." panel is back. ram herb and howard. our friend at pugh did a study of what should be the ideal of the american democracy and what's the reality. should rights and freedoms -- should the united states be a place where rights and freedoms are respected. very important to the united states. 84%. actually describes the united states, 47%. on the issue of politicians facing serious consequence force misconduct. 83% said it should be very important for the u.s. only 30% believe it actually describes the u.s. and then confidence in the political wisdom of americans. this is no...

As tiny percentage of trump's legal services. but also, maybe even more important is trump's assertion that michael cohen most will he doesn't practice law but that he's a businessman primarily, attorney/client privilege does not attach to just casual conversations between an attorney and a client. it doesn't necessarily attach the business advice. it has to be created. it has to attach under very specific circumstances. and if the there was not a legal advice or services provided by cohen and instead business advice then there may be no privilege. so trump is undermining his own claim of priv...