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>> especially if they're -- yeah. >> i understand that. i will say this, though. there's something bigger with john conyers. three years ago he had articles written about him by people who adored him saying he should step aside. in 2014 i think it was, he went to the opening of air of american museum. when he got up to talk, he was talking about miles davis and john coltrane, rambling around, showing up in pajamas to meeting s. somebody in his office needs to step in. they were talking about him having dementia several years ago. we're not supposed to talk about that when it comes to the presi...

Presidential historian doug brinkley said, described the president's confused mental state. i saw the transcripts from just the rambling, talking about andrew jackson and the civil war. we've seen him try to bluff his way through things before. you take that and john dickerson. it was really, really shocking. with dickerson he was mumbling, rambling around, incoherent. >> we have that. we'll show it to you. and then just sort of quit talking, walked off. >> do we have the dickerson tape lined up? while we're getting that. jon meacham, we can ask the easy question about andrew jackson. obviousl...