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Shane harris, heidi press bowla, ramesh. i know the social media debate about what do you call these things. this is one of those -- the president is saying the sun rise inside the west. ramesh? >> yeah, so, if you recall when comey was fired as director of the fbi the administration put out a memo from rod rosenstein, deputy attorney general, who was the purported justification for firing him, which laid out how he had been so unfair to hillary clinton. >> right. right. >> and then trump himself speaking to lester holt contradicts that. and maybe he has mixed up his own stories here. but for ...

Of the things that many other politicians say, plenty of other politicians have said a lot worse and it doesn't -- he shouldn't have been put in jail. rame ramesh, what do you make of this rationale? >> i think there is a kind of cynicism that shades into a kind of cheap, you know, pseudosophistication where you say all they are owl crooks. and in fact blagojevich was significantly worse than most politicians are. if it's true that our standards for corruption are too low, which is i think what he is bisque chi arguing here, that is not an argue for a pardon for blagojevich. it is an argument ...

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