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The doj looks ready to take that fight head on. ramesh, michelle, and elliott are all still with us. ramesh, what do you make of all these of these cabinet officials lining up to talk to the committee? it seems like a far cry from how things first started out? what do you think is to justify or to explain? is it sudden interest? is it the bannon verdict? is it something else? what is it? >> well, i think this kind of thing can be a cascade that once some people are testifying, once sort of a critical mass has been reached, then it becomes both more acceptable to talk and more potentially harmf...

Potential cover-up. this is beyond just a problem that happened within the government system of upgrading these phones. they believe there's a real problem here. and the other thing i was particularly struck by today when i talked to him, laura, is that they have not given up the idea that they may be able to retrieve these texts in some form or fashion, either from people on the other side of these text messages, from some sort of technological effort. they want this content. it's a two-fold question they're asking here. first, why were the texts deleted? was there something conspiratorial ab...

6th committee, but the committee on homeland security to really get to the bottom of what happened. and number two, if there's -- if people are hiding or tampering with evidence, there's a crime and it's got to be investigated. >> i mean, i'll admit, ramesh, there have been times i've been told to update things and i may not have updated them in a timely fashion. i'm surprised i even still have a phone some days. however, the idea of hearing it time and time again about phones being mistakenly reset starts to feel like my dog ate my homework. >> yeah, you know, and you put up a pretty thorough...

Going to declare his candy for 2024? and how does that affect any plans to start an investigation. it's already one of those things that he has clearly decided that the way to beat any kind of criminal charges would be to declare a political witch hunt. and the closer you get to an election where that would be a possible issue, the more complicated this gets. there's lots of pressure on the doj and merrick garland to get this moving. it's more than just legal limits and statutes of limitations. there is a lot of politics at play. >> and to be clear, i don't want to seem naive about the politic...

Since 1789. nothing is new about this and it's going to keep happening. it's just -- this is just as american as apple pie. >> you know what's going to keep happening? this conversation. and ramesh, i'm going to start with you when we come back. everyone stick around. more and more former trump officials speaking to the january 6th committee and the justice department is heating up its own investigation. the questions is, are investigators getting more insight into the perhaps biggest fish of them all or what?