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Violate what the president set out as the protocols for how he would deal with the business? >> well, i don't know if they've spoken. it's not -- may be a question better directed toward the trump organization. secondly, everything that he's done is in accordance with what the ethics folks -- >> i believe he said that he wasn't going to talk to his children, his sons, about the business. >> again, everything that is being done in terms of reports or updates is being done in consultation with the counsel's office. justi justin? >> just following major and asking about the substance. it's sort o...