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Expanding the way they could answer it. and we dealt i think fairly and successfully with the list issue. >> you knew of our concern of this targeting. you knew of the allegations reported. we brought you here to talk about it. you had received a briefing that this targeting was taking place but you did not divulge that to this committee. you said in your answer that you were aware some 200 applications fell into this quote category. we did these groupings together to ensure consistency and quality. you didn't mention targeting based on ideology. you didn't mention targeting based on buzz word...

Because we need to get to the bottom of this. we need to clean up and clear out so we can go back to the business of making sure that people respect the fact that we have a voluntary system of paying our taxes. having said that, let me ask a question of mr. george. in your report you indicate and i think i'm quoting correctly that there appeared to be some confusion by the determinations unit specialists on what activities are allowed by internal revenue code section 501 or allowed by organizations. we believe this could be due to the lack of specific guidance on how to determine the, quote, p...

It does remind me a little bit of a courtroom where if you are a lawyer you want a yes or no question that might well serve your answer. are we learning anything from this questioning? >> not today. i think what they are doing is trying to set up a hearing or two down the road when they are going to get more information from the agency and subpoena the e-mails and schedules and phone records and see if they can put the pieces of the puzzle. >> is there a danger here in looking really political? in looking like they are going after the white house here? and i'm just saying he wouldn't let him g...

Version to the word target or targeted. and you said there was no targeting because there was no intent. not withstanding the intend of irs personnel would you not agree that certain groups were treated differently because of their name or policy position? >> so i believe, sir, that -- >> were groups treated differently? that is the question. because of their belief, policy position or name? >> no. >> that is a yes or no question. no one was treated different? >> may i answer it. i would like to be broader than yes or no. my understanding of the cases that went into this queue is that it inclu...

Required to file a form 990. this past november they received a letter from the irs saying their tax exempt status was revoked for failure to file the forms. the irs told them they no longer needed to file the forms but instead of notifying them about the problem and allowing them to fix it especially in light of the advice given by the irs the irs revoked the tax exempt status. they have to reapply and pay. this is a nonprofit that has been around for 60 years. taxpayers should not be intimidated by the irs. the american people should not be afraid of the irs. we should be able to rely on adv...