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Another one million hundreds of thousands of dollars per year. here's the big piece to note. you mentioned why are we just talking about this now, has this been a problem for a long time? it really has, but the problem is that we continuously are paying these ransoms because they're getting so good at what they do, going after our backups, also stealing our data, that they entrench themselves and these companies cannot recover. it's a terrifying situation for these organizations because you're looking at businesses that have been around for 100, 200 years and now they're completely shut down. ...

Teed up here tonight. i obviously am not a super tech-minded person. i'm a standard american old person who knows how to turn things on and off and that's it but i do recognize this is a pretty significant challenge for the country. as someone who understands this stuff pretty well, what else should we understand? let me give you the chance to correct anything i might have portrayed inaccurately in terms of how serious this is about these attacks? >> these groups operate with complete impunity inside of the russian government. the russian government may not know exactly which targets they're g...

What they're doing is they're investing into more research and more development so they're getting more sophisticated which means they target larger organizations. we saw with colonial, with jbs, acor and health systems. we're seeing breaches at a much larger scale because the sophistication of these groups have grown. >> is this a problem that is more sophisticated and larger than law enforcement and government can handle? and i ask that sort of from two perspectives. number one, you talked about the impunity with which these groups operate in russia. if russia decided to change their mind ab...

Depending on you you pronounce it, revil, others say revil. the fbi in their statement of attribution used the team sodinokibi. they're also using that name along with revil to describe the group. i'm sure i'm saying them wrong. they're organized crime groups based in russia. anything that rhymes with evil by definition is pretty catchy when you're an organized crime group. here's what the fbi said tonight in their statement attributing blame for the jbs attack to these groups. it says we have attributed the jbs attack to r evil and sodinokibi and are working diligently to bring the threat act...

Secondly, given that so many of these attacks are originating in russia, should we really expect that these attacks could be shut down by the russian government if the russian government were so inclined? i am under no illusions that the russian government is so inclined, but if their head could be turned on this, if consequences or incentives could be changed for them, for the russian government so that they suddenly desired to stop these things, do we expect that they could? also, is there any evidence that the united states government has the capacity, the offensive capacity to brush these ...