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Confrontational in tangible ways than that. look, i think the biden administration had no choice but to do this because the supreme court didn't take it up when it could have taken it up. so there's a decision coming up on this, and i think, you know, there was also a need for the biden administration to do this because really so many people in texas and across the nation watching this are in distress. look, the approval ratings on abortion have changed not to the same level that marriage equality have. but right now it's almost 60% of people who think abortions should be legal in most cases, ...

For rape and incest. that's the only problem with the alabama law. all these other bans are fine. is what's going on right now an effort to redefine what counts as radical as if any other abortion ban wouldn't be radical provided it had a rape exception? >> that seems what is president trump is trying to do but he is going to fail at it because the whole reason these unprecedented number of extreme bans are being introduced is because of trump and kavanaugh, because these anti-women's health politicians are emboldened in a way they've not been before. the american people see through it. we say...

Expectation that only the most radical andra conian bans should fail? we've seen president trump and other republican anti-abortion rights politicians say, i'm pro-life. i'm against abortion. but there has to be exceptions for rape and incest. that's the only problem with the alabama law. all these other bans are fine. is what's going on right now an effort to redefine what counts as radical as if any other abortion ban wouldn't be radical provided it had a rape exception? >> that seems what is president trump is trying do do but ez is going to fail at it because the whole reason these unprece...

>> i think a lot of it -- the tone and tenor of the conversation, particularly last year when you heard in state legislatures people saying things like women would use if we made a rape exception, they would use it as a loophole. just talking about a woman, a human being in that way, i think that's part what have they m miscalculated. and the final question i wanted to ask is i think part of what we're seeing is again this tied if for women as part of fundamental freedom, fundamental human rights in terms of how we're viewed as equal participants in this society. >> absolutely. and one other t...

Trying to carve out very narrow exceptions, if any at all. actually, women have a legal right to abortion and should not need to justify that decision. also, let's remember that the rape exception does not work. there were 32,000 pregnancies in 2010 that resulted from sexual assault. there were 9,000 terminations and medicaid only paid for 331 of them. so there is a rape exception right now, in which case women who need to have support for their abortion funding or supposed to get it through medicaid but clearly don't. so exceptions of this nature just do not work and we should keep that in mi...