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779 billion. next year thanks in large part to paul ryan and his party it's expected to hit 1 trillion. joining me to discuss ryan's legacy, charlie pierce and direct from ryan's home state, ruth coniff, editor of the progressive magazine. let me start with you, ruth. paul ryan crafted this image in d.c. as a kind of wonk, the rare wonk, the person who really genuinely believed in what he was doing. i wonder what his reputation was like in wisconsin and what is he going back to? >> that's a really good point, chris. paul ryan had two images. one was in washington where he was celebrated as a b...

D.c. as a kind of wonk, the rare wonk, the person who really genuinely believed in what he was doing. i wonder what his reputation was like in wisconsin and what is he going back to? >> that's a really good point, chris. paul ryan had two images. one was in washington where he was celebrated as a boy genius and back in wisconsin he would run ads on television saying things like he opposed trade agreements that exported jobs. in his district of janesville where the gm plant closed they lost 50% of manufacturing jobs so this was very important to his constituents but those tv ads had nothing to ...