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be convicted. >> right. >> those are good things in his column. do you think there would be any downside here for president biden were hunter to be convicted? of course, as the personal toll, of course. do we think there is political im impact? >> yeah, there are low information voters who are like, they're both in trouble with the law. i would say hunter biden is very different than donald trump and being a crack addict because you have an addiction is very different than a myriad after criminal charges, many cases which you've been able to punt. then you have the fraud cases. i don...

You know, three steps forward and at least two steps back, and another three steps sideways and then maybe we go forward again, but that it ratchets, eventually, toward a greater freedom, greater inclusion, and, you know, there was a time when this country was only for white men who owned property. african-american men could theoretically vote at least, then women could vote. you know, would you buy the argument that, yeah, it's more of a ratcheting process that's messy and scratchy, but that when you look back over the span of 50 years or 100 years, you have moved, you have gotten some place?...