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Kick in. there's nothing in the document yet about that, not because we are hiding it but because we are working with congress to try to accomplish the rate kicks. in. after that 12, 25 and 35. it's impossible to do what the national tax center just did, so my guess is and i think that's going -- not surprising former chief economist for democrat vice president doesn't like -- chris: it's a nonpartisan group, first of all, sir. secondly, you know can talk about well, it's going to kick in at this level or that level but if the middle-income person is getting 600-dollar tax cut and the top 1% i...

Kick in. there's nothing in the document yet about that, not because we are hiding it but because we are working with congress to try to accomplish the rate kicks. in. after that 12, 25 and 35. it's impossible to do what the national tax center just did, so my guess is and i think that's going -- not surprising former chief economist for democrat vice president doesn't like -- chris: it's a nonpartisan group, first of all, sir. secondly, you know can talk about well, it's going to kick in at this level or that level but if the middle-income person is getting 600-dollar tax cut and the top 1% i...

Get off scot-free. is it your sense there's going to be a fourth rate? do you know at what level it would kick in? do you know what level any of these rates from the 12% to the 25% to the 35%, what level they would kick in? >> you know, in terms of income levels, we have ranges right now so there's nothing in concrete. that was actually -- whether we go with a fourth rate and whether those come in was a major topic of discussion today when we had our retreat. those are still -- some of the levers -- >> neil: let me ask you right now, that top rate kicks in i think around $418,000. you think th...