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Called obamacare. they like everything else about it. i think probably what we might see are some cosmetic changes and throwing his name on it like he has done with buildings before. i think when we hear him and kellyanne conway talk what they think should be replaced, replace obamacare, what they want to do is keep all the good parts and get rid of the stuff that sounds bad. which i think any actuary would tell you, you can't actually do that. so i wonder if we're going to see much change at all. or if he will sort of have to cave to people who say they have ideas but really, again, i think e...

Or if he will sort of have to cave to people who say they have ideas but really, again, i think even with the republicans in congress, the most unpopular thing about obamacare is that it's called that. their plans aren't that much more popular, if you lock at them. >> to that point, governor dean, the thing that the white house used to say under obama that sometimes sound like a rationalization well, yeah, you see the numbers on obamacare has taken a hit. but if you look at the ingredient, it's really popular that always felt like a little bit of a rationalization politically, right, and they ...