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[inaudible] >> we have a supreme court right now, which is getting voting rights, abortion rights, minority rights. the ability of the government to restrict gun violence or stop climate change. is this illegitimate supreme court in your view, and is a time for supreme court reform, expansion, even? >> again, he got to keep in mind, i come from the people where the first wave of supreme court justices from 1780's up until 18 60s, a large numbers of them were slave holders. it's hard to ask me a question about whether it's a legitimate court, when it's been -- slave holders for the first 75 to ...

>> he should have [inaudible] [inaudible] >> we have a supreme court right now, which is getting voting rights, abortion rights, minority rights. the ability of the government to restrict gun violence or stop climate change. is this illegitimate supreme court in your view, and is a time for supreme court reform, expansion, even? >> again, he got to keep in mind, i come from the people where the first wave of supreme court justices from 1780's up until 18 60s, a large numbers of them were slave holders. it's hard to ask me a question about whether it's a legitimate court, when it's been -- slav...

I think unfortunately, the supreme court is more and more besieged to be just the function of raw politics and raw power. that's a sad thing. >> there is a new piece in the new york times magazine about the decline of moderate democrats, quote, unquote suggesting the democratic party is too beholden to the left. it basically makes the argument that when the democrats are moderate, pushing -- kitchen table issues, they win and when they're talking about minority rights or trends issues or racial justice and policing reform, they lose. what's your response to that argument? >> i think that is co...

Power and raw politics? i think unfortunately, the supreme court is more and more besieged to be just the function of raw politics and raw power. that's a sad thing. >> there is a new piece in the new york times magazine about the decline of moderate >> there is a new piece in the new york times magazine about the decline of moderate democrats, quote, unquote suggesting the democratic party is too beholden to the left. it basically makes the argument that when the democrats are moderate, pushing -- kitchen table issues, they win and when they're talking about minority rights or trends issues o...

Suppression laws, the more you bless partisan gerrymandering, the more you say this is too hard for us, and therefore, states can continue to constrict the vote. the justices don't just become a sort of, minoritarian check. they can become part of reinforcing, consistency reinforcing minority rule. and i think that's what they're leaning into without entirely reckoning with it. that now we have a courts that is persistently making it harder for majority views and wishes and policies to be effectuated. that is not necessarily doing something for this constitution. it's raw power. >> judges, the...