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Luckily states and local governments have a lot of control over our criminal justice system and particularly when it comes to incarceration. most of the people in this country are incarcerated with their state and local governments. so my organization, a lot of the work we're doing is trying to change the laws on a state level so we can make a dent in this mass incarceration problem. that's why we came to louisiana because it is the number one incars ray tor in the world. we want to make a change and we can do that regardless of who is the attorney general inwalk. >> it is amazing that louisia...

Was announced. it was not about police reform, it was about saying how does louisiana go from being overly punitive on crime to smart on crime. how does louisiana go from being the number one incars ray tor in the to having a policy that is more course effective and maine. we have a great team of people that worked on the last two years on using data and input from all stakeholders to suggest some reforms that the state legislature could pass and the governor could sign and we're very close to the finish line on getting those things passed and signed by the legislature. >> it is a number of th...

Juror is apparently unable to make a decision versus a couple of days ago when it was just a lone juror? what's your sense? >> it's hard to say. in literature sometimes they talk about the unreliable that ray tor. that just because we are hearing something doesn't means the the truth. we are hearing what those 12 people think from the foreperson who writes notes to the judge who reads excerpts. as a journalist we feel better after the verdict comes down. we try to interview and hear from multiple jurors and put the story together. we are getting bits and pieces. is it possible more than one pe...