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To be more open-minded to have a bipartisan vote on impeachment. that's where democrats are focusing now, trying to put pressure on a few republicans. i don't think anyone in this process thinks that 20 republicans are going to break ranks with the president and lead to the ouster of this president. putting pressure on a few of them that face tough re-elections is the top goal of republicans at this point. >> i can't see two, can you? >> right now, not. there's a lot of republicans that have been silent. they are saying, i'm going to be a juror. people like susan collins, and cory gardner, and...

>> so, you know, i mean -- >> paint on rotten wood doesn't work. i tried that before. >> they're going to find a way to criticize this process. >> that's exactly right. some of the republicans close to the president are going to defend him no matter what comes out of this process. they're looking to vote with the president and defend him no matter what. even people within the white house are going to say they were concerned about his dealings with ukraine. democrats can't focus on trying to flip the supporters of the president and the republican party, but they're trying to make it more diffic...

Mike lee's been acting upon is the fact that trump gop loyalty plays well right now. if he were to act on conviction, mike lee of all senators would acknowledge what the president did abused the office of the presidency, the power of the presidency, and isworthy of impeachment. to evan's point on mcsally and susan collins in there, they have a choice whether to follow public opinion or follow the money. they all need -- they each need money from the national republican senatorial committee for their re-election. they need mitch mcconnell's blessing to turn on the money for those three states f...

Politicians either act on conviction or on enlightened self-interest. the enlightened self-interest of mike lee's been acting upon is the fact that gop plays well right now. if he were to act on conviction, mike lee of all senators would acknowledge what the president did abused the office of the presidency, the power of the presidency, and isworthy of impeachment. to evan's point on mcsally and susan collins in there, they have a choice whether to follow public opinion or follow the money. they all need -- they each need money from the national republican senatorial committee for their re-ele...

Self-interest. the enlightened self-interest of mike lee's been acting upon is the fact that gop plays well right now. if he were to act on conviction, mike lee of all senators would acknowledge what the president did abused the office of the presidency, the power of the presidency, and isworthy of impeachment. to evan's point on mcsally and susan collins in there, they have a choice whether to follow public opinion or follow the money. they all need -- they each need money from the national republican senatorial committee for their re-election. they need mitch mcconnell's blessing to turn ton...