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The advent of social media. with social media now, you just couldn't do that any more, could you. no, ijust think there's so much control and there's so much... you just couldn't get the access. 'cause the reason this series came back was that we started to look into, our commissioning editor, michaeljochnowitz, who's a big ruby fan, was like — "we've gotta get ruby back on." let's do re—meets, so we were gonna try and go back and see some of pamela and roseanne, and a couple of them were interested and then — then the pandemic happened, so we then actually thought about, ok, let'sjust g...

Clive, you mentioned the advent of social media. with social media, you just couldn't do that any more, could you. no, ijust think there's so much control and there's so much... you just couldn't get the access. 'cause the reason this series came back was that we started to look into, our commissioning editor, michaeljochnowitz, who's a big ruby fan, was like — "we've gotta get ruby back on." let's do re—meets, so we were gonna try and go back and see some of pamela and roseanne, and a couple of them were interested and then, and the pandemic happened, so we then actually thought about, 0k...

With social media, you just couldn't do that any more, could you? no, ijust think there's so much control and there's so much... you just couldn't get the access. 'cause the reason this series came back was that we started to look into, our commissioning editor, michaeljochnowitz, who's a big ruby fan, was like — "we've gotta get ruby back on." let's do re—meets, so we were gonna try and go back and see some of pamela and roseanne, and a couple of them were interested and then, and the pandemic happened, so we then actually thought about, ok, let'sjust go back and look at the archive. and ...