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After all cannot stand. joining me now to respond is former education secretary bill bennett. bill, thank you for taking the time to join me this evening. i'm concerned about the direction that we are going experience under divided rule has made us reach a point like anything before in my lifetime. how do we get back to not being a house divided? >> we are getting back. by the way, nice pedigree house divided matthew 12:25 to abraham lincoln to ben domenech. i like that. that's a line of succession you are in, ben. we are getting back. we are fighting back. we are waking up. we were dazed, we ...

Whoa, nelly. because it's one after the other. and see, every time trump lies, i've been using the #trumpliesmatter since the election. so now what we have is not just well, cohen said something in a television and then trump lying in a tweet. now we have someone standing before a court saying, yes, i was directed to do this. and so then we play the tape. trump on air force one saying, oh, no, i didn't know anything about it. he talks to fox news, well, i knew about it later on, but i paid out of my own money as if that's a totally different deal. every time he opens his mouth he is simply mak...

Resign was driven by the media hysteria, making his own mistakes, but they really went after him relentlessly, but the media playing and oversized hand here? >> there is no question that scott pruitt made a lot of bad decisions, and most people did not like his policies at the epa, changing the direction and all of that, but a lot of these stories really did reach a point where anybody else would have been gone from the cabin into months and months and months ag ago. all of that sort of thing, laura ingraham tweeting the other day that he is the swamp and needed to go. even republicans realize...

And so, yeah, i agree with nick that in part the president escalated the rhetoric to push this along to, you know, try to get credit for defusing it. but at the same time the north has made progress on its own arsenal that did reach a point where they had much more capacity as this president was coming into office than others. >> also with us now, cnn white house press secretary jim acosta. >> after time traveling. >> picking up on the discussion that we're just having here, jim, as we look at all of this, we know you said the president was jubilant on air force one on the way back. understand...

After a very deliberate and thoughtful debate. and i thought they should have been implemented very quickly. i talked with treasury secretary mnuchin and others. they were trying to be thoughtful. trying to do this in a deliberate way, but i did reach a point where i was frustrated. but the good news is they have been implemented and after some of the activities that we have seen in england, some other places, i think we should look at other perhaps sanctions or other things we could do to say to vladimir putin the way you're acting on international stage is simply not acceptable. >> what do y...