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And convicted. i wants to delegitimize the process. anything that questions the wisdom and the smarts and the judgment of donald trump must be delegitimized. and if you do not watch msnbc, you don't read d.c. report, you don't read the major newspapers, if you're following info wars and breitbart and "the new york post," you know, you think that donald trump is being railroaded here by this evil cabal. that may prove to be a very serious problem for us. >> david cay johnston, jill wine-banks, thank you both for joining us tonight. appreciate it. coming up, the man who's trying to do the impo...

Something many witnesses do. they know something point a, and they want you to believe point b, so they fill in the gap because they just want to believe it. and they actually convince themselves it's true. so maybe he's convincing himself that these things are true, but there is no factual support for it. that's what it would take to convince me he was telling the truth for once. >> david, before we go, leaning on comey being friends with mueller, that seems to be point one that we'll hear from the president if the day comes that he tries to fire robert mueller. >> well, or if he's impeached ...