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Russia space agency has been doing a number of things, my mom used to call cutting off your nose to spite your face. he has a uk satellite system over there, he says he will not launch unless they give him guarantees that he can't do and he's shut down operations, so basically killing his commercial space program and so our sanctions are not, i think, the russia space program, commercial space program is numbered because of the bellicose nature of their chief. >> carley: an interesting conversation, thank you for joining us. read homer's memoir, "don't blow yourself up," thank you for joining ...

Astronauts. we are in a partnership, a marriage, if you will, and we need to have a divorce. >> carley: homer, i was about to ask about that, we have this peaceful space partnership between the united states and russia and do you think that is something that can continue? you look at the atrocities unfolding in ukraine and does it seem appropriate to when it comes to space, pretend like everything is okay? >> no, it absolutely is not appropriate. it's going to be a bitter pill for nasa to swallow. we are going to have to take steps, i believe, to draw away from the partnership. it is not just ...