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Military. they believe they are guardians of the nation. >> paul: what should the u.s. role here be? they seem to have been caught by surprise, frankly, that this was happening. what should they do now? >> well, i don't think barack obama is waiting on me to tell him what he should do. >> paul: no. i think he probably got better advice than he might be getting from the cia, for example. >> we know from the senate intelligence committee they are now underscoring that we didn't read this country right. it's hard to read countries. it's hard to read the mysteries of countries. each the egyptians ...

Mubarak succeeded on war is a democrat when he was struck down in 1981 with mubarak next to him, the people of egypt gave mubarak enormous room. he healed the wounds and the controversy controversies of the is a democrat sadat. he was a modest man and kept a peaceful israel. he tried, if you will it, diffuse the tensions in egyptian society that's the on war is a democrat triggered. it would be that he would heed the lessons of mubarak's own course. >> what do you think the role the military has played so far? they have refused to intervene in the sense of siding with the regime and violently ...

Word. be gone. they want him to be gone. it's become this classic standoff if he himself can challenge them, if he can defy their wishes. if he can defy the wishes of the people he will have won. if they forced him out the democratic possibility of egypt may not materialize. we don't know. >> paul: do you think his vice president omar suleiman, if mubarak did resign as the u.s. is urging him privately asee understand it, do you think suleiman could organize across the various sectors of the scioto to pull it off. >> suleiman is mubarak's mubarak. because this rebellion has, in fact, come to fo...

Paternity. here is we are right now. one despot fell in 2003. we decapitated him. two despots in egypt and tunisia fell. direct connection between happened in iraq in 2003 and what is happening in the rest of the arab world. >> paul: thanks so much for being here. more on the crisis in egypt when we come back. the obama administration is backing off its initial support of hosni mubarak. but should we help push him out? our panel debate after the break.

First election is not the last election. >> paul: are you saying that anti-democratic forces should be banned from democratic elections? >> i think they have to sort of -- has to be done through a legal and orderly process. this is where the administration can play a role and bring the experience that it has from eastern europe, from east asia, to bear in egypt. we have been waiting for this to happen for the last 10 years. after 9/11 we said the arab status quo must change. now it's changing. now it's critical for the u.s. to be involved to make sure that it moves in the right direction. >> p...