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Jumping -- play this for a second. ben cardin is not a particularly interesting member of the senate with you is he a democrat. he had this to say yesterday. and we will talk about it after it on another network. listen. >> we're prepared to talk with the president as to what we need for border security. we will not support a wall because the experts tell us the wall is a waste of money and it detracts from dollars being available for real border security. so, we need to talk about how we can make our border safer and, yes, democrats and republicans can come to an agreement on that but it's un...

Any of that to come up, because he says the president would simply veto it and he's not going to bring it up for a vote on the senate floor. the president says, as you heard, his bottom line is $5.6 billion for the wall and border security. is there anything the president could offer democrats in return for that money that you would find acceptable? >> wolf, we've already said we support border security. we're prepared to talk with the president as to what we need for border security. we will not support a wall, because the experts tell us, the wall is a waste of money, and it detracts from do...

He says it's an issue of border security. i think we know better. it's an issue of his own political insecurity. when the right-wingers start screaming at him, he just backs off and disassembles in front of us. we reached a depth of dysfunction that i've never seen in washington. >> are you open into between anything $1.6 billion and $5 billion? >> what chuck schumer and nancy pelosi said is we're not going to build a wall, period f you want to talk about border security, there are many thing we can do. we're are in the midst of a drug epidemic. drugs are killing thousands of people. we curren...

Each one of those proposals contains $1.3 billion of real border security. not a wall. there is no wall in those proposals. democrats support real border security, not a wall. by the way, that is in addition, in addition to the $1.3 billion in security congress allocated last year. the vast majority of which the trump administration has not yet spent. they are asking for loads of more money they haven't spent last year's money. it's clearly a political gambit by president trump to appease his never happy base. on the other hand, a trump shut down would result in zero dollars for the department...

Each one of those proposals would pass the house and the senate. each one of the proposals contains $1.3 billion of real border security. not a wall. there is no wall in those proposals. democrats support real border security and not a wall. and by the way, that is in addition, in addition to the lo year, and a vast majority of which the trump administration has not spent. they are asking for loads of money, and they have not spent last year's money, and it is clearly a political gambit to appease his base. while chuck schumer is laying out the posture, what are you hearing from inside of th...