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Host of trial experience. maybe jay sekulow or rudy giuliani. it's important to have good people on this. as you mentioned, this is something that is so novel in our history. it is a big deal. just getting somebody to represent him as a personal attorney. >> well, it is a big deal. pres. the last time william rehnquist had the stripes, they all have to sit there even in the short version of a trial. it is still at least two weeks or more. bill clinton had a bunch very experienced prosecutors and lawye lawyers. for the khrarbgt he had former united states senator from arkansas who gave a real c...

Going to get off the hook for this? that is something they will be hammered on. >> they have the luxury of waiting to see how it goes. i think voters, it's not purely a political matter. it's not even purely a legal matter. public opinion plays a big role. sure, people are divided along party lines right now. it is a high number of people saying even at this point he should be removed we. it's not the whole country. but some are saying we need to hear witnesses. we need to hear john bolton and mick mulvaney. other people democrats will argue that illegally so far refused to testify. the greate...

Themselves determined in terms member us off of the nature of the case and how they would vote. it makes a mockery of the second oath every senator must take before the impeachment trial. >> i spoke with john yarmuth who said he was surprised by what house speaker pelosi has done here. he's not behind what she was doing here but it was a surprising move. how surprised are you by it? how long do you think this will last? >> i don't know that i was surprised. i don't know that i fully anticipated it. in looking at it, it makes sense to me. for two reasons. one, she wants to give space for chuck ...

Person's name. i can't. it's wrong. and i know that sounds crazy. i'm out of government now. but that's our training. it's not right. it's not fair. honestly, it makes him look bad. but it doesn't make him look bad in front of his base. this gets me to speaker pelosi, that plays into list base. biden is right to say i don't have anything to offer to this. i'm not the right witness. it will be nothing more than a political distraction for his campaign certainly. but at the same time they -- speaker pelosi needs to be very careful to make this the least partisan exercise as possible. >> what's h...

Concert. the statement doesn't mention russia or china. what do you do when your allies are in bed with your enemies? >> lastly, about this access between iran and russia, they note after this concludes on monday, zarif will meet with sergey lavrov, his counterpart, there. >> the russian partnership doesn't concern me as much. they obviously have some coordination there. the military inclement to the iranians. i had the same idea of the axis of evil. when i was in government working, one of the things we often saw when we sanctioned actors, nefarious actors would work together. it is common to...