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>> tom, give us your sense, or tell us how you would compare, if you would, george wallace and what we're seeing with donald trump. >> well, they both use -- there not the first ones that ever did it, the politics of fear. of course, they're so different in a lot of ways. wallace was like a farm boy, kind of a poor guy to begin with and so forth, but he understood -- people don't know this, but he started out as a real progressive guy. and he was progressive on a lot of issues. but on race, the first time he ran for governor, he was endorsed by the naacp and his opponent john patterson was end...

Wife, judy turnipseed who also worked on that campaign. thank you both very much for joining us tonight. >> thank you. >> thank you, sir. >> tom, give us your sense, or tell us how you would compare, if you would, george wallace and what we're seeing with donald trump. >> well, they both use -- there not the first ones that ever did it, the politics of fear. of course, they're so different in a lot of ways. wallace was like a farm boy, kind of a poor guy to begin with and so forth, but he understood -- people don't know this, but he started out as a real progressive guy. and he was progressive...