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He was parsing his words. i think it all comes down to what he meant by substantive impact, because clearly fossil fuel of any sort has an impact. >> particularly the tar sands coming out of the -- >> some of the worst. is it better to ship that, move that by pipeline than by truck? yes, you're still talking about you're burning it at the end. that's a fossil fuel. you lose and pollute the atmosphere even when it's coming out. it's a question, i think what he will get it down to, is it going to happen anyway? and therefore, is it less polluting if we take it in a pipeline? i think what he's do...

Pipeline's impact -- [ applause ] the net effects of the pipeline's impact on our climate will be absolutely critical to determining whether this project is allowed to go forward. >> how did you understand that very fine line he was walking there? >> it was a very fine line. he was parsing his words. i think it all comes down to what he meant by substantive impact, because clearly fossil fuel of any sort has an impact. >> particularly the tar sands coming out of the -- >> some of the worst. is it better to ship that, move that by pipeline than by truck? yes, you're still talking about you're b...

Determining whether this project is allowed to go forward. >> how did you understand that very fine line he was walking there? >> it was a very fine line. he was parsing his words. i think it all comes down to what he meant by substantive impact, because clearly fossil fuel of any sort has an impact. >> particularly the tar sands coming out of the -- >> some of the worst. is it better to ship that, move that by pipeline than by truck? yes, you're still talking about you're burning it at the end. that's a fossil fuel. you lose and pollute the atmosphere even when it's coming out. it's a questio...