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So he has a strong bargaining chip. we only have to think, if this is what gates knows wlab does manafort know? >> natasha, let me ask you. two men working together closely on a whole host of issues, allegations is that they were representing ukraine with political interests here in the united states. their financial interests. what is the significance of this? intending to plead guilty now. >> the white house said that this will not have any impact on trump or his inner circle in the white house. but there are are a lot of reasons why that is not true. of course because manafort and gates wer...

Potentially targeted and the fact that recruited someone who is in a position of trust and confidence. again, that is the core question here. we saw the 13 russians indicted in russia who won't set foot in an american courtroom but are there americans involved? my experience tells me there have to have been. >> curt, when you look at it from the white house perspective and when we were just talking with paul, at the time that rick gates and paul manafort were indicted, the white house's argument at the time was these are charges that happened before paul manafort and rick gates were ever invol...

See how this comes. and to emphasize, the "l.a. times" is reporting this within the last couple of hours that former trump aide rick gaits te pleading guilty and willing to testify against manafort. paul butler, i will ask you to stick around a bill longer with us. because we are following breaking news and "l.a. times" reporting that former trump campaign aide rec gates will receive a special deal we will have a lot more significance on all of this. stay with us.

Your way up to the top. the bottom here is quite high if we look at the people who have been charged. people like michael flynn, paul kbl manafort, the president's former campaign manager. gates, again, he stayed on the campaign even after paul manafort got fired. he knows something about the operation. he can answer questions like when there were all these trump campaign operatives running around meeti with russians. when russians were engaged in this effort to hack the election, could people high up in the trump campaign not have known about that? again, gates is important because he's got t...

Saying there is no evidence of collusion in this indictment. meaning, that i think we can expect something further down the line. >> and natasha, again, when we go back to the relationship between gates and manafort, that will become of tremendous interest. not that special prosecutor had already focused on it, but from the outside looking in, when you see someone like gates potentially pleading guilty, how much pressure does that put on manafort? how much pressure does that put on him to cooperate or potentially, you know, move up the food chain and turn somebody higher above him to the speci...