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And the afghani government. you can't win being in that position. the central government is corrupt, people know it, the taliban offers alternatives which people are now going towards. so you've got to consider how to get ourselves out of the middle of that, allow the afghans to sort it out for themselves without us being in the middle. jenna: do you think that's possible? >> well, it's going to have to have. we have to find a way to extract ourselves from that, focus on the real issues in pakistan, and try to bring victory, because right now, we're not doing well. jenna: quick final question ...