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Conservatives should say no. do you believe that you will have the 50 votes needed for this? >> we're certainly getting close. and for anybody who makes those exact same points i would argue you're facing a binary choice, leaving 100% of obamacare in place or taking what we can get and then working with the governors long term. i think this takes the power out of washington, d.c., starts putting it in the states. there are certain things we cannot do under senate reconciliation procedures. by turning these into block grants and start putting governors in charge and the governors in the states ...

Folks in the house and the senate are learning the tough reality of governing. you don't have the luxury of voting no against something that's not perfect. they are all going to in the end cast yes votes for things they do not like and would love to see be different. that's further constrained as i mentioned reconciliation, but there's an imperative they get to 218 votes in the house. 51 votes in the senate, the route says that's narrow and hard, but if they don't do it, they're going to have to run in 2018 without the record of accomplishment of having controlled the house, the senate, and th...

President. was it effective? >> reporter: hey, katy, yeah, this is paul ryan in his element. forgive us here, we're talking about another subject. this is the intelligence committee where they're heading into review materials in this russian investigation. back to health care. look, the speaker -- he was in his element today. this is what he likes to do. he does this at town hall meetings. he rolled up his sleeves and went through a powerpoint presentation. really it was a sales pitch and the audience, it seems to me, many members of his own republican caucus in the house who, you know, appare...

Legislation which amends the bill in order to eliminate all those special deals and so forth. megyn: right. >> they would then send the original senate version to the president for signature while sending the amended, the new bill amending that legislation to the senate. megyn: right. >> well, i don't think that that complies with article i. just think about it this way. if they did that in the straightforward way, that is passing a single bill which both adopted the senate version and then amended it, they could neither send it to the president -- because the senate did not pass that identica...