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Trump and jared kushner were caught the couple wishing her the best and asserting they didn't know she was being fired at the time. not all these tapes are bad for the white house, omarosa's breach of protocol to bring a recording device into the situation room has drawn her far more criticism than her apparent target, chief of staff john kellie who within the government rules was within his rights to expect privacy there in her departure, as chief of staff and omarosa also had phone access to president trump features him claiming he had no idea she was being let go. >> omarosa. omarosa, what'...

Merely by taking on the issue of planning to tape, keeping the tapes, going into secure areas with a recording device, that that undercuts her credibility. that gets us not talking about the underlying issues to some gree that she's raising about the president's attitudes on race or his competence for the job. also expect the president to continue to punch down as you described it on twitter. he acknowledges today on twitter that it may not be presidential to go after someone who is, you know, sort of the one name wonder omarosa, but he is doing it. and in part it gets us talking about some of...

A reason you can't do it, and that's to keep america safe and ensure foreign powers aren't using these recording devices and hacking in to gain access to classified information. >> you know, part of this as we look at it, there's the legal issues that general kelly in the recording is alluding to, right? and number two, what you're bringing, she bringing a recording device into the situation room that could intimate legal jeopardy. >> absolutely. you are not allowed to do that. another point i want to make and something worth remembering is that the president himself has kind of shown a blatan...

Egregious violation of the policy, and nobody would take a room into that room, and it would be a firing offense so there is some irony of her being told that she is being fired for misconduct while she is committing misconduct. >> and sam, you spent quite a bit of time in that very situation room, and how difficult for a recording device even to get in there? >> well, i worked at the white house for four years and i can't count how many phone lists and dark hours i spent in the situation room, but there was not a phone that didn't make it in, and not because there was a security guard or stri...

That's downright criminal. if i didn't have these recordings, no one in america would believe me. >> let's discuss this further with cnn political analyst april ryan, white house correspondent for american urban radio network and author of "under fire:reporting from the front lines of the trump white house." harry, let me start with you. first, are there any legal ramifications for this recording for omarosa? is she allowed to record the white house chief of staff in the white house situation room? >> wow, is she not allowed. there's a lot of ugly stuff going on here, ryan. i can't emphasize e...