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We're not seeing the communications methods and not seeing the recruitment methods before they become a real problem. >> last question about shahzad himself. he's talking to the point where they don't want to arraign him so they don't get him to stop talking. they can't stop him from talking. he left his keys for apparently his escape vehicle inside the car bomb, essentially. do you get any sense that on some level this man wanted to be stopped? >> well, let's put it this way. he certainly want the a-team. he engaged in activities that were beyond reckless. he was doing things exceptionally st...

Fire these people off like machine gun bullets. >> how do you defend against this? essentially there would be more long shot probable failure attempts, but as we said before, the stopped clock only has to be wrong once a day, not twice a day. how do you defend against amateurs? >> adapt to the recruitment methods. they used to be recruited in a mosque, they used to be recruised in a guest house in pakistan. now it's changed. a lot of this is taking place on the internet. look at the five guys from d.c. picked up in pakistan. supposedly those five young americans who had no connection whatsoeve...

Decision here they're going to start moving towards people whose only credential is the idea they have western passports or western citizenship or they're able to cross borders or they don't fit a profile. that's the new credential. the idea is if we don't invest a lot in these people we can just fire these people off like machine gun bullets. >> how do you defend against this? the idea that hayden said essentially there would be more long shot probable failure attempts, but as we said before, the stopped clock only has to be right once a day, not twice a day. how do you defend against amateur...