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Traditionally done business which is based on the facts and the law and free from politics. >> are you worried that he will now try to interfere? >> so i am hopeful he will not. and a letter sent to congress this evening which sort of laid out the status of the recusal process and the ultimate result committed that he would not, that he would dhoingz the right way, with integrity. but look, the whole reason that these ethics rules exist is not just that things be done on the level in the right way but so that the public can have confidence that things rb being done on the level and that the ri...

Recommendation and advice he should recuse himself and remains in charge of the investigation of the president, and that's really troubling and disturbing and it does raise the question whether he was selected and put there in order to specifically oversee the mueller probe with a thumb on the scale, and that is completely contrary to how the department of justice is supposed to and traditionally has done business, which is based on the facts and the law and free from politics. >> are you worried he will now try to interfere? >> so, i am hopeful that he would not, the letter that was sent by t...

And the rules are very strict that you can't pass along any grand jury information. for example, the fact of an indictment. how would he do it? picking up the phone and talking to the president. i think, though, katy, it's not clear that he's actually taken the reins yet. i believe that we would probably know if the recusal process had played out and he had decided either to thumb his nose at it and ignore it or they had advised him that he had a green light, which i think is unlikely here. so if that's not even clear to us at this point, but his ability to do mischief, including break the law...

Now, what that conflict of interest is, specifically, we don't know. the recusal process is opaque in part because it's hard to report on, but in part because there are rules around how much they're supposed to disclose about this stuff. but there's a question about with the cohen stuff now getting super red hot and with rudy giuliani trying to negotiate an end to the mueller investigation, a week from tomorrow, with the president promising that he's going to personally review documents -- personally review documents that were seized from his attorney's office earlier this month. this recusal ...

He is not involved in the michael cohen case. we learned that right after -- we learned recently right after he took over the southern district of new york's job in january, mr. berman notified justice officials in washington he had a possible appearance of a conflict of interest in the michael cohen case. those officials at d.o.j. in washington reportedly determined that jeff berman shouldn't oversee the cohen investigation even as he took this job in the southern district of new york. now, what that conflict of interest is specifically, we don't know. again, the recusal process is opaque in ...