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Fight about this adorable new asian muppet? >> i just can't understand it. i can't fathom why it's difficult. i wish it had come on sooner. i think when we had roosevelt franklin on the show, the franklin syndrome. it was difficult because he was the first black puppet and he fulfilled everybody's dreams of what a black puppet should be. too street. not street enough. too hip-hop. not hip-hop enough. sadly what happened was they cut the puppet because everybody couldn't agree how a black puppet should be prevented. there was another black puppet on "sesame street" for 50 years. that's the prob...

Too street. not street enough. too hip-hop. not enough. they cut the puppet because everybody could not agree how a black puppet should be presented. there wasn't another black puppet on "sesame street" for 50 years. >> absolutely. i think that is the point. there is no character that can make everyone happy. "sesame street" probably tried more than any in history to represent every child, you know, even red muppets and purple muppets. i am a grover girl.

Franklin on the show, the franklin syndrome. it was difficult because he was the first black puppet and he fulfilled everybody's dreams of what a black puppet should be. too street. not street enough. too hip-hop. not hip-hop enough. sadly what happened was they cut the puppet because everybody couldn't agree how a black puppet should be prevented. there was another black puppet on "sesame street" for 50 years. that's the problem when people can't decide or they think a whole culture has to rest on the shoulders of one character. yeah, mar len. i think that's the point. there is no character w...

Everybody couldn't agree how a black puppet should be presented. there wasn't another black puppet on "sesame street" for 50 years. and that's the problem when people can't decide, or they think -- they think a whole culture has to rest on the shoulders of one character. >> yeah, no, absolutely. and, marilyn, i think that's the point too, there is no character who can make everyone happy, but "sesame street" probably has tried more than any other show in history to represent every child, you know, even all of the -- not even real children. there were red muppets and purple muppets and muppets ...