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Tell us what that means and what kind of defense that is. >> i'm not sure what it means. i think what he's trying to say is he was acting on the president's behalf to try and get information that would help clear the president's name. remember giuliani heads can down this ukrain rabbit hole in an effort to clear trump's name. he thinks it has been sullied by the mueller report, by the investigations of michael cohen and this is the only way that he could sort of help trump coming into 2020. is to go to ukrain to find things that would help him and he thought perhaps this ambassador was somethi...

And what was behind his efforts to oust the united states ambassador in kiev? was it simply because he was trying to bring out corruption? or was he doing that on behalf of ukrain that wanted her out? what was behind it? >> and the quotes you have from mr. giuliani, these are new responses to your reporting. is that correct? >> corrects. >> let me read this for the it viewers and get your analysis. you have this real blockbuster story that rudy giuliani is under investigation by the office he used to run. he says if they have any degree of objectivity or fairness, it would be difficult to say ...