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Injecting corruption into the system. >> do you see this as donald trump's impeachment stonewall strategy losing out we're talking about those who might want to speak and at times disagree the device or request tonight but they honored it. there's something different happening when we see failings of officials to speak out. >> before the people they were preventing from going to testify in the mueller investigation instance were don mcgahn a guy who really didn't want to come forward and be a whistleblower and didn't want to testify. so he chose to pretend this white house ban was something re...

>> again we know now from the transcript that he was relaying things and from the whistleblower that he was relaying basically gossip he heard from giuliani. and i think the other thing she makes clear from her testimony if you read it is you have to understand what's happening in ukraine. there are all kinds of factions and i know mike mcfaul knows this very well. there are all kinds of factions inside ukraine. they were using giuliani as much as he was trying to use them. understood who the good guys were and bad guys were and the people throwing dirt on joe biden were not good guys. >> what...

Ukraine. whether he was properly lobbying and had properly registered to do that. and what was behind his efforts to oust the united states ambassador in kiev? was it simply because he was trying to bring out corruption? or was he doing that on behalf of ukraine that wanted her out? what was behind it? >> and the quotes you have from mr. giuliani, these are new responses to your reporting. is that correct? >> correct. >> let me read this for the it viewers and get your analysis. you have this real blockbuster story that rudy giuliani is under investigation by the office he used to run. you rea...

Tell us what that means and what kind of defense that is. >> i'm not sure what it means. i think what he's trying to say is he was acting on the president's behalf to try and get information that would help clear the president's name. remember giuliani heads down this ukraine rabbit hole in an effort to clear trump's name. he thinks it has been sullied by the mueller report, by the investigations of michael cohen and this is the only way that he could sort of help trump coming into 2020. is to go to ukraine to find things that would help him and he thought perhaps this ambassador was something...

Injecting corruption into the system. >> do you see this as donald trump's impeachment stonewall strategy seeping out? they may want to speak and at times disagree with the device or request not to but they honorer it. there's something differants happening when we see a failings of officials to speak out. >> before the people they were preventing from going to testify in the mueller investigation instance were don mcgahn a guy who really didn't want to come forward and be a whistleblower and didn't want to testify. so he chose to pretend this white house ban was something real and legal and h...