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Heard from giuliani. and i think the other thing she makes clear from her testimony if you read it is you have to understand what's happening in ukrain. there are all kinds of factions and i can know mike mcfall knows this very well. there are all kinds of factions inside ukrain. they were using giuliani as much as he was trying to use them. squeshe understood who the good guys were and bad guys were and the people throwing dirt on joe biden were not good guys. >> what president trump calls bad things most ous would regard as good things. that's what our former ambassador was doing there as he...

I found it shocking so much from -- and there were a lot of it mention that she was essentially pushed out because she was standing up against corruption in ukrain. what we didn't know, those of us who follow ukrain is this other back storyf of the fact there were these rogue americans trying to the fluence ukrainian policy and working essentially behind her back. or in front of her but not paying any heed to her. so making her ineffective and breaking the law. she's a care ages person. a straight arrow. i work would erheir in the administration and afterwards when i was a think tanker and con...

And what was behind his efforts to oust the united states ambassador in kiev? was it simply because he was trying to bring out corruption? or was he doing that on behalf of ukrain that wanted her out? what was behind it? >> and the quotes you have from mr. giuliani, these are new responses to your reporting. is that correct? >> corrects. >> let me read this for the it viewers and get your analysis. you have this real block buster story that rudy giuliani is under investigation by the office he used to run. he says if they havegy degree of objectivity or fairness, it would be difficult to say i...

>> i'm not sure what it means. i think what he's trying to say is he was acting on the president's behalf to try and get information that would help clear the president's name. remember giuliani heads can down this ukrain rabbit hole in an effort to clear trump's name. he thinks it has been sullied by the mueller report, by the investigations of michael cohen and this is the only way that he could sort of help trump coming into 2020. is to go to ukrain to find things that would help him and he thought perhaps this ambassador was something that was standing in the way of rooting out that corrup...

Whistleblower that he was relaying basically gossip he heard from giuliani. and i think the other thing she makes clear from her testimony if you read it is you have to understand what's happening in ukrain. there are all kinds of factions and i can know mike mcfall knows this very well. there are all kinds of factions inside ukraine. they were using giuliani as much as he was trying to use them. squeshe understood who the good guys were and bad guys were and the people throwing dirt on joe biden were not good guys. >> what president trump calls bad things most of us would regard as good thing...