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One spot on the "new york times" best seller list. this person describes in stead of a deep state a so-called steady state trying to keep the government functioning and running amid the dysfunction of the trump years. i think they would have more power by naming themselves. >> obviously every name has been thrown out there including george and kellyanne conway, kellyanne conway being a senior advisor in the white house, george conway her husband obviously becomeing a very, ver vocal critic on twitter. he tweeted "i wish but no." if they're complaining, why not just reveal themselves? >> in tha...

>> let me ask you this, daniel, if this person feels it's such an emergency is a reddit ama the place to go? >> well, i don't know if they're going to have a press conference at the national press club, but i think the reddit ama preserves their options for shielding their identity until they feel comfortable or until they've landed a new job, you know, where they can kind of do every tv interview they've been asked to do. but i think you look at those trump administration officials from the state department, from the nsc like alex vindman who's gotten a lot of threats who's actually testified...

Doubt in my mind that donald trump demanded a quid pro quo from ukraine to disrupt the 2020 election. now the question is whether it rises to the level of high crimes and misdemeanors. i personally think that it now does. joining us now is politico reporter daniel lichman. i assume they've got a lot of questions about that on the ama. what stood out to you? >> that this person might position him or herself to be campaigning against their former boss in the 2020 campaign because now they've promised they're going to unveil their identity, and i guarantee

Propaganda. i think it's important for the president to be challenged. do i trust every member of the media to ask objective questions? no, not at all, but hopefully there are still people out there who are educated and curious and who have the public's interest at heart, and they will challenge the president-elect. >> she looked at me lovingly when she said that, so i hope i'm in the second category. but i will say this, there are some questions to be asked. you are talking to your followers, so most of your tweets are one-sided, that is the whole point of talking to your followers. >> jesse:...

There's real business costs on top of this on top of the very important civil liberties costs. >> no doubt a younger generation you have americans too is going to be looking at this politically, and this is going to be a big issue in our politics, don't you think? >> absolutely. and mark my words, i think as mr. elsburg recently pointed out in a reddit ama, i believe history will look back on edward snowden as a whistleblower. >> and that debate's going to rage on, as well. alexis ohanian, happy to have your perspective. >> thank you for having me, david. >> we're going to come back with our r...