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Kids, so far who is the other man that was having sex with the kids? who is the other person? >> it reiterates how disturbing the allegations and the conviction really is in a case like this and trafficking when people really look into sex trafficking and what this means and what it looks like across this country by the way. it happens here in the united states and abroad. it really is so disturbing. i read something you told the hollywood reporter, and it's always struck me. i want to bring it to your attention again. it's back in 2019. it was about the "me too" movement, and you talked about...

>> reporter: recruiters are very quick at picking out someone's vulnerabiliti vulnerabilities. >> if they know that through this grooming process, you have a sordid past, for example, you had a past with drugs or crime, they will engage in what they call a redemption narrative. >> reporter: but time and time again, experts told us radicalization does not necessarily lead to terrorism. >> people who hold radical ideas and express radical viewpoints often are not violent and the people who engage in violence often do not have any adherence to any radical ideology. >> reporter: bottom line -- des...

Picture, it is hard not to freak out about that. and at the same time we're so set with the redemption narrative will it is sort of backwards. sometimes i think the initial scandal gave them name recognition and put a lot of people ended up supporting him without necessarily knowing a ton about his politics but they like this redemption narrative. i think that's something we're obsessed with. we're seeing with san diego mayor filner right now. i'm going to go to this magic box of rehab. >> we asked what do you care about. we mentioned racial profiling which is a huge issue here. 90% of people ...

He used in his. he said we had this very public thing happen to us. no, no, no. there's no we, kimosabe, you did this and put your wife through this. you know, to use that sort of language. i mean, look, as we all know i'm an unmarried, childless person so i don't mean to judge her, but i'm judging. i'm sure the baby is a factor in this and it's very sad. but the fact is the language he used, erin, tells me he still isn't taking responsibility for it. >> john, for those out there, obviously the country will know who she is because she's so close to hillary clinton, she is seen as a second daug...

Not turning out that way, at leaf for now for anthony weiner. >> thank you very much for that reporting. steve kornacki is part of our msnbc family host of "up weekend." and joan walsh is the editor of salon and msnbc analyst. steve, this thing, it's has astounded me that new yorkers are willing to accept a pretty low level of behavior by their potential mayor here. i don't know whether the numbers will hold but he's been very competitive with christine quinn, the speaker of the city council all through this mess. is this too much for new york? >> i mean first are of all, part of the reason he...