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She was clearly efforting brinksmanship and trolling him, frankly, and he had to do something to appear dominant, because that's usually what these exchanges are about for him, and he was returning fire. i do think that this is going to become a messy back and forth. we are well past the point where the president is listening to people around him who are concerned about him appearing presidential. he has shattered norms over and over. they have said to him you are now in your reelection window. assuming that he does run for reelection, this is going to be the kind of politics that you're going...

Does this seem straight out of his playbook? >> straight out of the new york political playbook. this reminds me of the kind of thing mayor rudy giuliani would do. this is a form of smashmouth politics that donald trump lived in for a long time, if not practicing himself. it was very predictable. the problem is it's different when you're president doing it, and i think it risks for him coming off as petty. there is no question that what you said about how it is a little hard to believe there are actual security concerns related to his speech, state of the union speech that nancy pelosi is conc...