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Traumatic appeals -- >> right. >> -- and essentially is not giving you what you want, which is equal justice, this was not the right thing of our fair state. i made that decision. >> one of the great challenges i always feel like you and other washington governors have is in many ways how little control you have over your budgets thanks to the referendum process. you know, we just talked about the marijuana. you know, you've got -- you've got some anti-tax activists that for years have put constraints on what you can and can't do with the budget. have you ever thought about pursuing some sort ...

Does that create an ideological problem in terms of that being the way forward? >> there's no doubt that there are republicans who are supportive of marriage equality. who don't want to see the final fight -- >> there are americans who don't want to see the final decisions come from the judges and the courts. they want to see this be decide understa ed in the legislative process or the referendum process. at the end of the day, marriage equality is going to come from all three, it will be legislators and governors signing the legislature. and of course there will be litigation, when it comes t...

Decisions at the state level come from the judges, come from the courts. they want to see this be decide ed in the legislative process or the referendum process. at the end of the day, marriage equality is going to come from all three, it will be legislators and governors signing the legislature. and of course there will be litigation, when it comes to enfranchising us with what some of us think is a fundamental right, we need to understand that that right will come and be delivered under our system, in many ways including through the judiciary, and in new mexico, there is a ballot initiative ...

This kind of craziness going in and it creates a very unsafe environment for all students. so we've started an organization. viewers can go to privacyforallstudents.com. they can get involved in the referendum process. we have a short period of time to collect a large amount of signatures, we're going to need everyone to partner with us to get this done. >> karen, i really appreciate you giving us perspective firsthand from california. thank you very much for joining us. >> thanks for having me, governor. the abuse of power in washington is going beyond control. can anything be done to stop ...

Process motivates them. can morsi cut a deal with the military that allows the referendum to go ahead under the military protection. the military is the the institun over wit the u.s. has the most influence. i hope we're applying it to slow the referendum process down. if egypt becomes like syria or libya, you have the entire middle east in real disarray. >> we are funding billion dollars in the military but what kind of influence can we have when it seems we have not had that much in the past? >> well i think in the past two years, we've applied a considerable influence inartfully. the obama ...