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No collusion. it just said there's no criminal conspiracy. >> right. exactly. so, you know, here we are, john, six weeks after mueller, the report was released, we've heard from mueller, himself. yet, there are still so many questions. how important do you think it is for mueller to testify? >> i think it is important. i think ultimately, he will testify. he may do part of it with an opening statement then go behind closed doors. he's not -- he's got grand jury ff information. he's got national security information. he's got referral cases that can't be revealed. so it would have to be guarded...

Evidence, about 140 contacts between the trump campaign and the russians. that obviously needs more examination as well and could come up again in the impeachment context. it doesn't clearly say there's no collusion. it just said there's no criminal conspiracy. >> right. exactly. so, you know, here we are, john, six weeks after mueller, the report was released, we've heard from mueller himself. yet, there are still so many questions. how important do you think it is for mueller to testify? >> i think it is important. i think ultimately he will testify. he may do part of it with an opening stat...