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Taylor greene and george santos. it's ron desantis and other governments. let's break down the absurdity. i think you have to attack the absurdity. this is a group of people that believe reading a book can make you gay. that's their biggest concern, if you read a book, you might decide you're gay. secondly, qualitatively, their assessment is if you're lgbtq, that somehow that's wrong. that you're not allowed to be, that somehow that's offense to society. and then here's the other buzz word you hear, this is what they wrap it in, and i think it has to be attacked head-on, joy. they say parents ...

First, they were hesitant to comply with the subpoena. there were some preliminary court hearings to frame some of that questioning, some of those former elected officials faced, for example, but ultimately, they were compelled to testify, and they all said they did so to the extent that they were required to. >> charles, lindsey graham is one of those people who fought it, tried to go to court to stop his testimony. ultimately testified. he did a walk and talk when reporters asked him about his testimony. he assured them he did not have anything to worry about. when you look at that list, and...

>> it's a balloon. we're not that stupid. >> okay, some of us are that stupid. can we show marjorie taylor greene here with the balloon? to have the picture? this is what she did. this was her response to the balloon. leslie, come on now. what does that even mean? >> i mean, she is like a character from stephen kings yet, so it's appropriate that she's carrying the balloon. she a damn clown. she is our clown. >> there is an alien there, joy, opened it up. i want to see what's in there. >> maybe it's an egg. i hadn't thought about that. was >> she such an idiot. >> send balloons back to china. ...

The ultimate measure in federalism. and in today's society, it's the ultimate buzz words towards the radicals and insurrectionists who believe the federal government should be toppled, that their power is illegitimate or they have used it for illegitimate purposes. what ron desantis has embraced is allow a collection of states to frankly take over the authority and constitutional prerogatives of the u.s. constitution but also the congress. it is clunky. it is not something people necessarily run on, but i promise you it is a buzz word to the fringe right wing groups within today's republican p...

Position has allowed fringe conservatives to dream of a day when they can use their control of state legislatures to fix all sorts of perceived federalist ills. joining me is david jolly, former republican congressman and msnbc political analyst, and david, this is one of my things i have obsessed about over the years. because there has been a long-standing conservative republican wish to get in and tinker with the constitution to do things like to impose a balanced budget amendment, which would trigger dramatic draconian cuts across the board to everything from social security, medicare, to f...