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>> you learn ar a lot. i would say that you probably learn more in the valleys of life than you do in the mountain tops. learned whole new you things that i never comprehended before with regard to god's grace and the reflective grace that comes through other humans that you walk with on a daily basis. i learned a lot about judgment and forgiveness. i could go down a litany of different things but i boil it down this way. our minister gave a great sermon a number of months back and his point was do the events of your life refine or define your life. i think in politics people want to take an e...

Did that work? >> well, it was actually one of the debates that i won. i think it was actually the tenor of the debate more than anything else rather than the art director. >> steve: last night you said, i want to acknowledge a god not just of second chances, but of a god of third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, nine chances because that is the reality of our shared humanity. what did you mean by that? >> i meant by that, we all have feet of clay and we're all imperfect and i think that this larger notion of god's grace and human grace which is an extension of it is incredibly important to eve...