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That some historian maybe 200 years from now, might be writing, look the normal state of affairs is arbitrary abuse and control by others, and there's this little tiny curiosity where, a relatively few people had a large amount of liberty for a short amount of time, but it all went back to the normal state of affairs. that is arbitrary abuse and control by others. mark: do you think liberty has the seeds of its own demise? that there's a paradox because people who are unwilling about liberty can use liberty to destroy liberty? >> that is absolutely right. they can use liberty to destroy libert...

Personal liberty and just morality in general. we have to do a better job of doing it. mark: do you think there are enough of us left who are willing to do it? i don't see a lot of them in congress, i can tell you that. >> you don't see a lot of them on college campuses either. mark: all right. ladies and gentlemen, don't forget during the weekdays, you can watch levin tv on crtv.com, join us there or call 844-levin-tv. that's 844-levin-tv. we'd love to see you.

Continue to refrn liberty and individualism out of society in the name of the people and equality. they're still not equal. >> or equally oppressed. mark: yeah, yeah, they're dirt-poor and starving to death. that's the equality we can live without. >> that's right. >> we'll be right back. -looks great, honey. -right?

Liberty we will be like the other great empires of the past. back in 1887 someone said during queen victoria's jubilee that britain would become the third great nation and almost defeated on the high seas by six great nation, you would have been put into the insane asylum. mark: argentina. >> that's absolutely right. i am hoping that doesn't our future as a nation but we have to get busy now for going to save ourselves from the fate of other great empires in the past we need to get busy now with selling our fellow americans on the moral superiority of personal liberty and the main ingredient, ...

Inequality, and it is spoken of as if the government should step in and make sure people are on the same playing field. is that what the framers meant by equality? >> no, i don't think so. i think it was put best by my late colleague and very, very famous economist milton friedman. he said that those people who put equality before liberty are not likely to have much of either, but those people who put liberty before equality are likely to have a large measure of both. and so when people talk about inequality, inequality of income, in a free society, the reason why there's inequality of income ...